Mastering Civil 3D Review

by Donnie Gladfelter on February 10, 2008

in Civil 3D 2008,General

Mastering Civil 3D 2008 Over the last several months I have been working my way through the ever popular Mastering AutoCAD Civil 3D 2008 book, written by the gang over at Civil3D.com (Engineered Efficiency). As a fellow member of the blogosphere, I have had the privilege to establish a professional relationship with a good portion of the Engineered Efficiency (EE) team. For those unfamiliar with EE, they are arguably the best Civil 3D implementation team in the business!

I’ll never forget last spring when I went to the Experience the Possibilities Tour in Washington DC. During the presentation I asked a question about Civil 3D that was in fact both rather detailed, and quirky. The Autodesk representative answered the question, but with some loose ends remaining. After the session broke, Dana Probert of EE (who I had never met in person), found me in the crowd to both answer and explain the details about the feature I was questioning.

My point in sharing that story is that the EE team has many years of experience solving the real-world problems firms implementing Civil 3D. More importantly they simply know how things interconnect within Civil 3D, and can easily recommend the best approach to a given situation. To that end, the book has been structured in way such that you are learning best practices as you go. Taking that one step further for many of the complex concepts, the Mastering AutoCAD Civil 3D 2008 book expands on the why and how of many details.

Although the book does provide an explanation for nearly every option in every dialog, the book is not one of the AutoCAD Bible books. In my experience the Bible books have served more as a desk reference, not a learning tool. The Mastering AutoCAD Civil 3D book is written more as a textbook than a desk reference. Each topic is concluded with an exercise whose dataset is provided with the included CD-ROM. Making the CD-ROM even more valuable is the way chapters are broken down. Chapter 12 on advanced corridors is broken into enough pieces that you could easily pick up the book and work through intersections today, culs-de-sac tomorrow, and widening the day after that.

Admittedly the book can come across as rather elementary at times, well below the mark for more advanced users. Personally as I worked through the book I found myself completing the exercise included in the book, but then applying the same concept in a more advanced way. For instance, you can easily take the cul-de-sac exercise and make it a little more complex by adding a shoulder and sidewalk.

Still if doing that is still too elementary for you, there are numerous chapters that in my opinion are more for the CAD Manager than the CAD user. For instance topics such as styles and the dreaded part builder are covered in addition to the basics. At the end of the day, a person who completes this book should have a rather through understanding of Civil 3D. Even if you don’t read the book cover-to-cover, chapters are broken down such that you can easily use it as a learn-on-demand resource, pulling it off your bookshelf only when you need to use xyz feature. Quite simply if you use Civil 3D, YOU NEED THIS BOOK!

  • Matthew Anderson

    Mike -

    As someone who hires consultants – EE has provided the absolute best service, the best knowledge base, and has been of great value to myself and Joseph A Schudt & Associates. I’ve trained with others before, but no one has the depth of knowledge as the group at EE.

    While the publishing world rushed to publish a couple of Civil 3d books before Mastering came out (I’ve got a few on my shelf as well), it is the easiest to read, has great examples.

    Donnie’s review of Mastering is great and he identified some of the weakness of the book. But the book is full of great information.

    Hands down, the EE is the Best in the business. And they have an awesome book too! I am glad that I know them.

  • Matthew Anderson

    Mike -

    As someone who hires consultants – EE has provided the absolute best service, the best knowledge base, and has been of great value to myself and Joseph A Schudt & Associates. I’ve trained with others before, but no one has the depth of knowledge as the group at EE.

    While the publishing world rushed to publish a couple of Civil 3d books before Mastering came out (I’ve got a few on my shelf as well), it is the easiest to read, has great examples.

    Donnie’s review of Mastering is great and he identified some of the weakness of the book. But the book is full of great information.

    Hands down, the EE is the Best in the business. And they have an awesome book too! I am glad that I know them.

  • http://apw-cts.com Mike Carris

    Donnie,

    How can you state EE is the best when you have little to no experience on the Consulting industry? I understand you are on the EE band wagon, and don’t get me wrong they have some good people and knowledge, but “the best” come on. I know many consultants with a lot more experience than the group at EE.

    I also question your review of this book without reviewing other material out there for a true comparison.

  • http://apw-cts.com/ Mike Carris

    Donnie,

    How can you state EE is the best when you have little to no experience on the Consulting industry? I understand you are on the EE band wagon, and don’t get me wrong they have some good people and knowledge, but “the best” come on. I know many consultants with a lot more experience than the group at EE.

    I also question your review of this book without reviewing other material out there for a true comparison.

  • Mitch

    Does that mean the “YOU NEED THIS BOOK” link is directed to the wrong item? That’s what I don’t understand. You’re discussing the Mastering book but then linking to (and recommending) the CAD Bible.

  • Mitch

    Does that mean the “YOU NEED THIS BOOK” link is directed to the wrong item? That’s what I don’t understand. You’re discussing the Mastering book but then linking to (and recommending) the CAD Bible.

  • http://www.thecadgeek.com Donnie Gladfelter

    Mitch – My mention of the “Bible” series was made simply as a comparison between titles. This Mastering Civil 3D title is written more as a textbook than a reference book. The Bible books tend to focus on commands more than concept, hence their function as a reference book. This Mastering book focuses on complete concepts, rather than specific commands.

    To my knowledge an AutoCAD Civil 3D Bible does not yet exist.

    - Donnie

  • http://thecadgeek.com/ Donnie Gladfelter

    Mitch – My mention of the “Bible” series was made simply as a comparison between titles. This Mastering Civil 3D title is written more as a textbook than a reference book. The Bible books tend to focus on commands more than concept, hence their function as a reference book. This Mastering book focuses on complete concepts, rather than specific commands.

    To my knowledge an AutoCAD Civil 3D Bible does not yet exist.

    - Donnie

  • Mitch

    I’m really confused here. You talk about the Mastering book throughout your post but at the end recommend an entirely different book? If you are recommending people buy the CAD 2008 Bible over this one, do you have any recommendations for people looking for a Civil 3D 2008 “bible”?

    - Mitch

  • Mitch

    I’m really confused here. You talk about the Mastering book throughout your post but at the end recommend an entirely different book? If you are recommending people buy the CAD 2008 Bible over this one, do you have any recommendations for people looking for a Civil 3D 2008 “bible”?

    - Mitch

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